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i often hear that argument that there must always be a “political sistem of some kind” but i think that is like a medival scolastic saying “there must be a border of the world” and sailships sailing out east instead or west will fall from it. In fact there is a “border of the world” but you can not reach it with a sailship. Equally there must always be a “negotiation of interests” when humans live together. But the conclusion this implies politics and guidlines, governance and controling, ruling and ruled classes, police forces, government agencies, etc…might be just a lack of imagination and technical implementation. I can imagine a “interchange of will” where every citicen on a dayly base gives agreement and rejection points to decisions, companies, people, media, products, production sites, etc.etc. – those entities would have an interest to avoid to be declared “most hated entity on the planet” and adapt their conduct without further guidlines and control sistems in place. In fact our world works very much that way already – but technolgies like blockchain and social media can refine that further in inimaginable ways – to an extent where ANY decision is made on base of public agreement and rejection points and politics as we know it now, becomes obsolete.
We become a tribe again – everybody is endorsed to speak when sitting around the fire, what the wisest elders say has weight in the community, when the decision is taken (by instant vote) everybody supports it because there is no better way to come to a wise and interest balanced decision. Technology gives us a handle to create a 6 billion member tribe and refine decision making processes.
My personal answer to the old enlightenment question “Can technology uplift all humanity (beyond greedy politics) ” – it probably can. – history has examples to offer.
concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/t57057056/ocean-colonization-enlightenment-industrial-revolution-front/
The reasons for this believe, in my lifetime i have seen political sistems, and its implementations, – appearantly written in stone – fall and nobody missed them, life just went on – communism, the berlin wall, european national states, maoism, currencies, national borders of all kind, arab dictators, trade barriers of all kind, national languages disappearing being replaced by English – the driving factor behind all this “increased transnational communication capacity” in the hands of everybody, driven by technology…implementing the global tribe beyond politics and division. My prediction is, this is just the tip of the iceberg, of an ongoing and accelerating process. This communication process will lead to a point where “national politics”, “political sistems”, “political parties”, “political discussion”, “obligation to no opt in processes”, will be mentioned in one sentence with “medival witch hunt”, “holy inquisiton”, “slavery”, “subjugation” etc… We just don’t handle things that way anymore – times are changing we better ourselfes…some things fall into the “trash basket of history” – “political sistems”, and “political discussions” of all kind will be among those.
The 15 man crew of the Svanen is living on a floating island traveling worldwide in a sustainable economic environment and they have surley found a working way to come along and negotiate diverging social interests on a opt in opt out base… future seasteads will work just in the same way. When the seasteads reach city size the scale of habitant numbers will be no problem anymore – technology will have solved the communication and social negociation problem that comes with larger scales. Politics as we know it will be obsolete and replaced by a better way of social negociation. There is no problem that needs to be solved on this forum by means of political discussion. Just let’s talk about the future development of marine business and how it will lead to seasteading.



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i share your opinion that things in our present world may not be fair, rich people may not sufficently care about poor people, a dollar a day surley is no “ethicly correct negociation” of “diverging economic interests” among socially responsible humans, and we should activly look for things that can deliver a better job in the field of social cohesion than current politics is doing.
What i do not share is the idea that a “political control sistem” of any kind can “deliver” ethical behavior, like fairness, and loving care for fellow humans. Only education can. So i do not really think when we look for a better world we should look for “guidelines” and “governance sistems” governance sistems are “part of the problem” not part of the “solution” we should look for practical solutions with a high “opt in” and “opt out” component. Type “voluntary agreement” and take “non interference” as basic principle. A fast flexible frequent voting instrument (type blockchain that creates elections and selections twice a day not twice a decade) can take the “scale problem” out of society, and make “constant base democratic negociation of terms” a technical dayly reality. Politics and control sistems of any kind where invented as a remedy to get “cohesion of a tribe” when the number outgrew the possibility of anybody talking to everybody. As frequently “the medicine turned out to be worse than the illness”. States politics, political discussion, brought us national states, borders, war, and the brink of nuclear aniquilation. May technology bring back the “global village” make humanity a single tribe, and the oceans be the place where it starts. Or to speak with Peter Thiel : The key of seasteading is to “escape politics in all its forms”…that includes “controversial discussion of political sistems of governance on a seastead”…in first place. The idea that we look for “governance sistems” is dead wrong – we look for ways to “live together in a better and more harmonic way” enabled by technology and options that make politics, as we know it, obsolete. It is not about focusing on the “right politics and sistem” it is about “focusing beyond politics and sistems”. This is what i mean when i say that politics, and discussing politics, is not of my interest, business and technolgy is, because business and technology can change things for better, controversial political discussion can not – it only divides.

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yes, the fighting back of special interest groups may happen, but it is just a admiting of the weakness. Look how we learned to take better decisions on SMOKING in the last few years as a society, based on education, information and public consient, not on political fight, control, prohibition, subdue of individuals, and forming groups “WE against THEM”. A mighty tobacco industry had little to put against the paradigma change that took place and took their business away.
In the same way many industries learned to embrace the idea of 100% sustainable business, recycling of materials, avoid of spills, environmental and social responsibility just by education and pressure of popularity. At the end big oil, steel, pharma, is run by socially sensitive individuals just as you and me. Most people tend to do responsible things if given a choice, and education… we best safe the planet by stoping throwing our personal waste into nature and lead by example…
In a worst case scenario a floating city will function just like a land city. In the best case it will leave limitations of land cities behind and grow to something much better.
I think VENICE is showing the general direction.
concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/t56710025/venice-italy-how-to-do-instructions-for-seasteading-from-his/
I really do not see any need to “pick a political sistem upfront” to move ahead with seasteading. Less a need to discuss about it. When a seastead is implemented and has thousand of inhabitants there is still no need to discuss about “political sistems” people just will vote on dayly stuff like “do we open a seasteading high school” and suport it with taxes and community funds ? – put your voting points into it… – put your rejection points against it.Morning press will tell you what your community decided. – if you hate “seasteading high school” you still can opt out of this specific community and become citicen somewhere else.

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Discussion about the politics of non politics...seasteading.org

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Blockchain the end of authorithy structures?

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